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		<title>Comment on Saying &#8220;ouch&#8221; to Shakesville by jenniferslevin</title>
		<link>http://kataphatic.wordpress.com/2010/10/10/saying-ouch-to-shakesville/#comment-1860</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jenniferslevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So late to the party. I&#039;ve been banned twice. Once for expressing empathy for priests and brothers who were abused and live in denial of their own abuse, and so it perpetuates--clearly stating that I work with these men for a living but am not Catholic, and I am talking about psychology and not the law.  I was told I was &quot;disappearing women&quot; and &quot;needed to be stopped.&quot; The next time, a year later (a month ago or so), I was banned for requesting that Melissa not refer to her &quot;sick body&quot; as garbage, since as a long time reader of her FA and HAES posts, and as a cancer patient, I found it shocking and triggering that she would debase herself that way and by extension all the sick people who read her blog. I was attacked all day by Liss, SKM and other mods, and several posters, even after telling them I was out of there and cancelling my Disqus account. I was told by her and the mods that I was silencing her--by pointing out that her body is LITERALLY NOT GARBAGE, since we know that she takes seriously metaphors that are not really metaphors but easy insults that dehumanize, and I was advocating FOR HER. I was called a &quot;fucking asshole&quot; who should &quot;feel terrible about hurting Liss&#039;s feelings&quot; because she is sick. That I have commented there for five years, that I have given money, and that I have cancer and am in and out of the hospital were discounted and actually disparaged. I thought I was alone but then found people coming to my blog by searching &quot;Shakesville drama.&quot; I grew up with abuse and cult-like requirements for devotion to my parents. I was shaking for days both times I was banned. So glad to know I&#039;m not alone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So late to the party. I&#8217;ve been banned twice. Once for expressing empathy for priests and brothers who were abused and live in denial of their own abuse, and so it perpetuates&#8211;clearly stating that I work with these men for a living but am not Catholic, and I am talking about psychology and not the law.  I was told I was &#8220;disappearing women&#8221; and &#8220;needed to be stopped.&#8221; The next time, a year later (a month ago or so), I was banned for requesting that Melissa not refer to her &#8220;sick body&#8221; as garbage, since as a long time reader of her FA and HAES posts, and as a cancer patient, I found it shocking and triggering that she would debase herself that way and by extension all the sick people who read her blog. I was attacked all day by Liss, SKM and other mods, and several posters, even after telling them I was out of there and cancelling my Disqus account. I was told by her and the mods that I was silencing her&#8211;by pointing out that her body is LITERALLY NOT GARBAGE, since we know that she takes seriously metaphors that are not really metaphors but easy insults that dehumanize, and I was advocating FOR HER. I was called a &#8220;fucking asshole&#8221; who should &#8220;feel terrible about hurting Liss&#8217;s feelings&#8221; because she is sick. That I have commented there for five years, that I have given money, and that I have cancer and am in and out of the hospital were discounted and actually disparaged. I thought I was alone but then found people coming to my blog by searching &#8220;Shakesville drama.&#8221; I grew up with abuse and cult-like requirements for devotion to my parents. I was shaking for days both times I was banned. So glad to know I&#8217;m not alone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saying &#8220;ouch&#8221; to Shakesville by GeneralObserver</title>
		<link>http://kataphatic.wordpress.com/2010/10/10/saying-ouch-to-shakesville/#comment-1853</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GeneralObserver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2013 08:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t have a serious &quot;Bad Incident&quot; but I do feel extremely unsafe posting anything on Shakesville. I have to trigger warning EVERYTHING and even then I still don&#039;t feel safe enough to actually post on there. I&#039;ve been lurking on there for since about this time last year, and only posted maybe 5 times. Something is extremely wrong in a &quot;Safe space&quot; which is for allowing people who are looked down upon by most of society to still be scared to post, anything, random favourite songs, personal experiences of personal growth, anything at all. It&#039;s sycophantic how they go about saying how it &quot;is&quot;, but not finding a way to get more people to see it there way, to gain fat acceptance, or to create a more safe place for vulnerable people to post in continually and gain new friends. It&#039;s just a case of all gone so wrong, and you can tell!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a serious &#8220;Bad Incident&#8221; but I do feel extremely unsafe posting anything on Shakesville. I have to trigger warning EVERYTHING and even then I still don&#8217;t feel safe enough to actually post on there. I&#8217;ve been lurking on there for since about this time last year, and only posted maybe 5 times. Something is extremely wrong in a &#8220;Safe space&#8221; which is for allowing people who are looked down upon by most of society to still be scared to post, anything, random favourite songs, personal experiences of personal growth, anything at all. It&#8217;s sycophantic how they go about saying how it &#8220;is&#8221;, but not finding a way to get more people to see it there way, to gain fat acceptance, or to create a more safe place for vulnerable people to post in continually and gain new friends. It&#8217;s just a case of all gone so wrong, and you can tell!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dear Lane Bryant, it&#8217;s over. It&#8217;s not me, it&#8217;s you. by Chelle Belle</title>
		<link>http://kataphatic.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/dear-lane-bryant-its-over-its-not-me-its-you/#comment-1847</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chelle Belle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Im going to the doctor in the morning because of the
itching and rash. Im sure its the bras, its making me
CRAZY!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im going to the doctor in the morning because of the<br />
itching and rash. Im sure its the bras, its making me<br />
CRAZY!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saying &#8220;ouch&#8221; to Shakesville by LV</title>
		<link>http://kataphatic.wordpress.com/2010/10/10/saying-ouch-to-shakesville/#comment-1843</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 03:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, thank you for posting this. I know it&#039;s over two
years old, but thank you anyway. I&#039;ve lurked at Shakesville for a
long time because I appreciate their stance against fat hatred as
well as some of their other positions. There aren&#039;t many safe
spaces that I know of, and they&#039;re pretty good more often than not.
But I don&#039;t dare post anything, not even a comment. Why? Well, just
like you said - you say one thing that goes against their comment
policy, and they&#039;re all up in your face. And they&#039;re so forceful
about it that the offender is backed into a corner and forced to
apologize. And often times it&#039;s not even a simple &quot;I&#039;m sorry,&quot;
which is bad enough as far as I&#039;m concerned. It&#039;s something really
graphic and masochistic, like &quot;Thank you for calling me out on my
shit.&quot; And when you apologize like that, you&#039;re admitting fault,
and you become lower in status, and the person to whom you&#039;re
apologizing gains the upper hand in the situation. And the person
in power thinks, &quot;Good. Here&#039;s a bitch who will do what I say.&quot;
And, now that they know they can control you, the next line out of
their mouth may well be, &quot;Suck my dick&quot; (which is what jerks have
said to me at my old job, and I will NEVER willingly give a man
pleasure ever again as a result). You see how things can escalate?
So I do not appreciate having to see people give these abject
apologies for minor offenses. I&#039;ve been bullied horribly, and
Melissa&#039;s &quot;calling out&quot; of other people (and the offenders&#039;
powerless deference to her will) triggers me worse than words such
as &quot;psycho,&quot; &quot;idiot,&quot; &quot;stupid,&quot; etc. will EVER do. And don&#039;t get me
started on the so-called tone argument. She says it&#039;s been used to
keep oppressed people down? WHAT?! As I&#039;ve said, I&#039;ve suffered
years of verbal abuse and bullying that continues to this day. And
a major component of said abuse was/is the tone of voice that
people use(d) with me. So I strongly believe that when you&#039;re going
to say something that might knock someone&#039;s ego down a notch, you
really should be careful of how you say it. You need to be careful
of other people&#039;s feelings and be aware that &quot;get a backbone&quot; is
not something everyone can just do on command. Bitch Melissa should
know this, given her personal history! Yes, I know it&#039;s her blog
and she can do what she wants. I&#039;m just disappointed, is all. Oh,
and the bitch has a foul mouth, too. She seems strangely
comfortable with the F-bomb for someone who purports to be a sexual
assault victim. Seems like somebody forgot how to be a lady.
Whoooooooops! Lastly, I&#039;d like to knock The Tray of Comforting
Things on the floor with a loud crash. The thought behind it is
good, I guess, but something about that phrase just sets my teeth
on edge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, thank you for posting this. I know it&#8217;s over two<br />
years old, but thank you anyway. I&#8217;ve lurked at Shakesville for a<br />
long time because I appreciate their stance against fat hatred as<br />
well as some of their other positions. There aren&#8217;t many safe<br />
spaces that I know of, and they&#8217;re pretty good more often than not.<br />
But I don&#8217;t dare post anything, not even a comment. Why? Well, just<br />
like you said &#8211; you say one thing that goes against their comment<br />
policy, and they&#8217;re all up in your face. And they&#8217;re so forceful<br />
about it that the offender is backed into a corner and forced to<br />
apologize. And often times it&#8217;s not even a simple &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry,&#8221;<br />
which is bad enough as far as I&#8217;m concerned. It&#8217;s something really<br />
graphic and masochistic, like &#8220;Thank you for calling me out on my<br />
shit.&#8221; And when you apologize like that, you&#8217;re admitting fault,<br />
and you become lower in status, and the person to whom you&#8217;re<br />
apologizing gains the upper hand in the situation. And the person<br />
in power thinks, &#8220;Good. Here&#8217;s a bitch who will do what I say.&#8221;<br />
And, now that they know they can control you, the next line out of<br />
their mouth may well be, &#8220;Suck my dick&#8221; (which is what jerks have<br />
said to me at my old job, and I will NEVER willingly give a man<br />
pleasure ever again as a result). You see how things can escalate?<br />
So I do not appreciate having to see people give these abject<br />
apologies for minor offenses. I&#8217;ve been bullied horribly, and<br />
Melissa&#8217;s &#8220;calling out&#8221; of other people (and the offenders&#8217;<br />
powerless deference to her will) triggers me worse than words such<br />
as &#8220;psycho,&#8221; &#8220;idiot,&#8221; &#8220;stupid,&#8221; etc. will EVER do. And don&#8217;t get me<br />
started on the so-called tone argument. She says it&#8217;s been used to<br />
keep oppressed people down? WHAT?! As I&#8217;ve said, I&#8217;ve suffered<br />
years of verbal abuse and bullying that continues to this day. And<br />
a major component of said abuse was/is the tone of voice that<br />
people use(d) with me. So I strongly believe that when you&#8217;re going<br />
to say something that might knock someone&#8217;s ego down a notch, you<br />
really should be careful of how you say it. You need to be careful<br />
of other people&#8217;s feelings and be aware that &#8220;get a backbone&#8221; is<br />
not something everyone can just do on command. Bitch Melissa should<br />
know this, given her personal history! Yes, I know it&#8217;s her blog<br />
and she can do what she wants. I&#8217;m just disappointed, is all. Oh,<br />
and the bitch has a foul mouth, too. She seems strangely<br />
comfortable with the F-bomb for someone who purports to be a sexual<br />
assault victim. Seems like somebody forgot how to be a lady.<br />
Whoooooooops! Lastly, I&#8217;d like to knock The Tray of Comforting<br />
Things on the floor with a loud crash. The thought behind it is<br />
good, I guess, but something about that phrase just sets my teeth<br />
on edge.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dear Lane Bryant, it&#8217;s over. It&#8217;s not me, it&#8217;s you. by Sherri</title>
		<link>http://kataphatic.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/dear-lane-bryant-its-over-its-not-me-its-you/#comment-1839</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sherri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 02:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The same thing happened to me with their bras! Very itchy and sore afterwards. Even when I take them off at night I&#039;m itching throughout the night! It&#039;s terrible because I happen to like the fitting of their bras but it&#039;s very irritable!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same thing happened to me with their bras! Very itchy and sore afterwards. Even when I take them off at night I&#8217;m itching throughout the night! It&#8217;s terrible because I happen to like the fitting of their bras but it&#8217;s very irritable!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saying &#8220;ouch&#8221; to Shakesville by Katie</title>
		<link>http://kataphatic.wordpress.com/2010/10/10/saying-ouch-to-shakesville/#comment-1836</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 00:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you noticed that I&#039;m not really updating this blog anymore, and these comments appeared over a span of more than two years, with several months passing between comments? Some comments I felt like replying to; some I didn&#039;t. Some I thought I&#039;d come back to later but never did, because life got too busy. Some of the comments came in when I had a lot of time, others came in when I had a lot going on in my life.

If you don&#039;t like something someone else said here, feel free to post a comment in reply pointing out what is problematic about what they are saying. FWIW, I agree with what you are saying about how some of these comments have been problematic. In an ideal world, would I have put the time and energy into replying? Yes. But I didn&#039;t, and I&#039;m not going to make any excuses, or even apologies, for that.

Shakesville influenced my commenting policy in the beginning, when I wanted to create a &quot;safe space&quot; here and was much more vigilant about what was posted. But times have changed, and I have changed, and my life circumstances have changed. My understanding of the meaning, value, and even the possibility of &quot;safe space&quot; and the responsibility of bloggers has changed. I could write about that, but I&#039;m not in the mood. Maybe I will someday, but probably not. Suffice it to say, you and I obviously disagree about what my responsibility is here. And as it&#039;s my blog, it&#039;s going to happen my way. 

What I will thank you for is reminding me that my &quot;Before You Comment&quot; page is out of date, because I&#039;m no longer behaving the way I describe there. So I updated it. And you can either take it or leave it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you noticed that I&#8217;m not really updating this blog anymore, and these comments appeared over a span of more than two years, with several months passing between comments? Some comments I felt like replying to; some I didn&#8217;t. Some I thought I&#8217;d come back to later but never did, because life got too busy. Some of the comments came in when I had a lot of time, others came in when I had a lot going on in my life.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like something someone else said here, feel free to post a comment in reply pointing out what is problematic about what they are saying. FWIW, I agree with what you are saying about how some of these comments have been problematic. In an ideal world, would I have put the time and energy into replying? Yes. But I didn&#8217;t, and I&#8217;m not going to make any excuses, or even apologies, for that.</p>
<p>Shakesville influenced my commenting policy in the beginning, when I wanted to create a &#8220;safe space&#8221; here and was much more vigilant about what was posted. But times have changed, and I have changed, and my life circumstances have changed. My understanding of the meaning, value, and even the possibility of &#8220;safe space&#8221; and the responsibility of bloggers has changed. I could write about that, but I&#8217;m not in the mood. Maybe I will someday, but probably not. Suffice it to say, you and I obviously disagree about what my responsibility is here. And as it&#8217;s my blog, it&#8217;s going to happen my way. </p>
<p>What I will thank you for is reminding me that my &#8220;Before You Comment&#8221; page is out of date, because I&#8217;m no longer behaving the way I describe there. So I updated it. And you can either take it or leave it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Overeaters Anonymous? by Chaya</title>
		<link>http://kataphatic.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/overeaters-anonymous/#comment-1834</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chaya]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 00:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Initially I loved OA and felt that it provided structure for me to manage my disordered eating habits. However, in the long run, I felt that OA was harmful - I don&#039;t believe that I&#039;m addicted to food and I felt that I was constantly being brainwashed to believe that I was addicted to food. 

I think that OA is really helpful for people who want to embrace that they&#039;re &quot;compulsive overeaters/food addicts&quot; and want to commit to the 12 Step Program. I&#039;d say maybe attend an OA meeting or two and then think carefully - do YOU believe that you&#039;re a food addict? If you don&#039;t believe it yourself, don&#039;t let others in OA convince you that you&#039;re a food addict. 

Good luck!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Initially I loved OA and felt that it provided structure for me to manage my disordered eating habits. However, in the long run, I felt that OA was harmful &#8211; I don&#8217;t believe that I&#8217;m addicted to food and I felt that I was constantly being brainwashed to believe that I was addicted to food. </p>
<p>I think that OA is really helpful for people who want to embrace that they&#8217;re &#8220;compulsive overeaters/food addicts&#8221; and want to commit to the 12 Step Program. I&#8217;d say maybe attend an OA meeting or two and then think carefully &#8211; do YOU believe that you&#8217;re a food addict? If you don&#8217;t believe it yourself, don&#8217;t let others in OA convince you that you&#8217;re a food addict. </p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Young Life Is Evil by Justina Stewart</title>
		<link>http://kataphatic.wordpress.com/2009/08/17/why-young-life-is-evil/#comment-1833</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justina Stewart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 19:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Katie,

I am a fellow blogger, and I am a young life leader.  I was not the type A person in high school, sure I had friends but I had acne and I struggled with weight issues as well.  Young Life was the only place that I felt welcomed.  I did not have a church home that welcomed me, and I hated going to church.  It was a chore, but God used Young Life to bring me to Him.  There were popular people there, but there were also just your average high school student there as well.  In my senior year I made it my mission to make everyone welcome, to invite people who I came in contact with regardless of their social status.  I am so sorry to hear about your experience, and I hope it didn&#039;t burn or hurt your relationship with our precious Lord and Savior.  Today as a leader, I try to make the club an environment that is welcoming to the girl who sits alone in the corner insecure and hurting.  I go to plays, and choir concerts so that I can maybe encounter the girls who often go unnoticed.  But YL is far from perfect and it never will be.  But our sweet God is perfect, and He will never fail you.  God bless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Katie,</p>
<p>I am a fellow blogger, and I am a young life leader.  I was not the type A person in high school, sure I had friends but I had acne and I struggled with weight issues as well.  Young Life was the only place that I felt welcomed.  I did not have a church home that welcomed me, and I hated going to church.  It was a chore, but God used Young Life to bring me to Him.  There were popular people there, but there were also just your average high school student there as well.  In my senior year I made it my mission to make everyone welcome, to invite people who I came in contact with regardless of their social status.  I am so sorry to hear about your experience, and I hope it didn&#8217;t burn or hurt your relationship with our precious Lord and Savior.  Today as a leader, I try to make the club an environment that is welcoming to the girl who sits alone in the corner insecure and hurting.  I go to plays, and choir concerts so that I can maybe encounter the girls who often go unnoticed.  But YL is far from perfect and it never will be.  But our sweet God is perfect, and He will never fail you.  God bless.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saying &#8220;ouch&#8221; to Shakesville by nucl3arsnke</title>
		<link>http://kataphatic.wordpress.com/2010/10/10/saying-ouch-to-shakesville/#comment-1830</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nucl3arsnke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 23:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At first I enjoyed this thread, because I, too, have seen some of this bullshit go down on Shakesville.  (The mods assuming bad faith from a commenter, that is.)

But now I&#039;m at the end, and it seems to have degenerated from well-thought-out responses to random n00b complaining about Shakesville.  The man who writes about how hateful yet hilarious Shakesville is, compared with his &quot;sane&quot; feminist friends?  That&#039;s some classic tone-argument and exceptional-woman stuff right there, with a little bit of potentially ableist language thrown in for good measure.  I can pretty reasonably translate his comment as &quot;I won&#039;t listen to Shakesville and they&#039;re wrong because they&#039;re so far from my point of view and they&#039;re also not nice.  MY feminist friends are much better.  They&#039;re not like those ALL THOSE OTHER feminists, who are just crazy, hysterical bitches.  And all feminists should take note, if you want men to listen to you, you should be nice to us.&quot;  What a helpful reminder that we oppressed groups are supposed to be completely sweet, neutral, and unemotional when discussing our oppression with the privileged groups who don&#039;t face it, benefit from it, and are often complicit in it!  Everyone take note, it&#039;s NOT OKAY to express disdain for someone else&#039;s point of view, even when that point of view is disdainful of who you are as a person!

And blueberry moon, who&#039;s so hurt that she got called ableist?  Wow, I&#039;m SOO SORRRY.  The pain of being called ableist must just be horrifying, and SO much worse than actually, you know, having disabilities and facing the discrimination that comes with that.  (And it&#039;s not like Shakesville hasn&#039;t made it clear time and again that using &quot;crazy,&quot; &quot;insane,&quot; etc. as insults is NOT WELCOMED in that space.)

But what kills me is that comments are moderated here, right?  And even if those were people who have commented before, and therefore their comments aren&#039;t held in moderation, Katie, you have responded to almost every other comment here, and you have definitely responded to some since that guy (Bernie) posted, and yet you let that stand without reply or response.  This, despite the fact that you were a long time Shakesville reader, so you should recognize well-established defenses of privilege like tone-argument and exceptional-woman arguments.  In fact, you are clearly are familiar with tone arguments since you discuss them in your original post.

So why?  Why would you let bullshit like that stand on your own blog?  All I can figure is that this is just proof of a couple of points that some have raised here, and that is that we (as humans) all tend to enjoy consensus, affirmation, and support, and we (as humans) all eventually violate our principles to some degree in who have as friends and allies.  Such is life, as my mother would say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first I enjoyed this thread, because I, too, have seen some of this bullshit go down on Shakesville.  (The mods assuming bad faith from a commenter, that is.)</p>
<p>But now I&#8217;m at the end, and it seems to have degenerated from well-thought-out responses to random n00b complaining about Shakesville.  The man who writes about how hateful yet hilarious Shakesville is, compared with his &#8220;sane&#8221; feminist friends?  That&#8217;s some classic tone-argument and exceptional-woman stuff right there, with a little bit of potentially ableist language thrown in for good measure.  I can pretty reasonably translate his comment as &#8220;I won&#8217;t listen to Shakesville and they&#8217;re wrong because they&#8217;re so far from my point of view and they&#8217;re also not nice.  MY feminist friends are much better.  They&#8217;re not like those ALL THOSE OTHER feminists, who are just crazy, hysterical bitches.  And all feminists should take note, if you want men to listen to you, you should be nice to us.&#8221;  What a helpful reminder that we oppressed groups are supposed to be completely sweet, neutral, and unemotional when discussing our oppression with the privileged groups who don&#8217;t face it, benefit from it, and are often complicit in it!  Everyone take note, it&#8217;s NOT OKAY to express disdain for someone else&#8217;s point of view, even when that point of view is disdainful of who you are as a person!</p>
<p>And blueberry moon, who&#8217;s so hurt that she got called ableist?  Wow, I&#8217;m SOO SORRRY.  The pain of being called ableist must just be horrifying, and SO much worse than actually, you know, having disabilities and facing the discrimination that comes with that.  (And it&#8217;s not like Shakesville hasn&#8217;t made it clear time and again that using &#8220;crazy,&#8221; &#8220;insane,&#8221; etc. as insults is NOT WELCOMED in that space.)</p>
<p>But what kills me is that comments are moderated here, right?  And even if those were people who have commented before, and therefore their comments aren&#8217;t held in moderation, Katie, you have responded to almost every other comment here, and you have definitely responded to some since that guy (Bernie) posted, and yet you let that stand without reply or response.  This, despite the fact that you were a long time Shakesville reader, so you should recognize well-established defenses of privilege like tone-argument and exceptional-woman arguments.  In fact, you are clearly are familiar with tone arguments since you discuss them in your original post.</p>
<p>So why?  Why would you let bullshit like that stand on your own blog?  All I can figure is that this is just proof of a couple of points that some have raised here, and that is that we (as humans) all tend to enjoy consensus, affirmation, and support, and we (as humans) all eventually violate our principles to some degree in who have as friends and allies.  Such is life, as my mother would say.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Young Life Is Evil by Svayambhut Ghosh</title>
		<link>http://kataphatic.wordpress.com/2009/08/17/why-young-life-is-evil/#comment-1811</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Svayambhut Ghosh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 19:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello, I think your blog might be having browser compatibility issues.

When I look at your website in Chrome, it looks fine but when 
opening in Internet Explorer, it has some overlapping.

I just wanted to give you a quick heads up!
Other then that, awesome blog!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I think your blog might be having browser compatibility issues.</p>
<p>When I look at your website in Chrome, it looks fine but when<br />
opening in Internet Explorer, it has some overlapping.</p>
<p>I just wanted to give you a quick heads up!<br />
Other then that, awesome blog!</p>
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